*NEW* Monthly Tournament League

Barry · 13-07-10, 15:34

As discussed on the forum and also with the TD's that after the great success of the Cash race we thought that the Tournament players deserve something else as well so the club have decided to start something very exciting in the way of a Monthly Tournament League starting on the 1st August through to the 31st August.

This is the way it works:

For each tournament you buy into you will receive points. For each cash in a tournament you will also receive points. Out of each tournament prizepool (except for satellites) the club will take 2% out and also add another 2% as provided by the International Club which will make up the total prize money of the end of month grand final which will take place on Thursday 9th September at 7pm.

It will be 1,000 points to qualify and each qualifier will have their points multiplied by 10 to make their starting stack.

We estimate a prizepool of around £7000 so we are hoping it will encourage not only our regulars to play more but also make The International the venue of choice for MTT's in the Capital (if is not already!!)

The Table of Points:

Angelfish · 13-07-10, 15:43

In the spirit of the Cash Race; shouldn't they be given cash chips to be played in a monster tournament players cash nite fest. At the end of 8 hours play, you can cash out or continue.

jonomac · 13-07-10, 15:52

Barry, so that's the same amount of points for anyone who cashes, rather than an incremental amount according to where you finish, ie 1st and 9th in the same tournament get same number of in the cash points?

John I · 13-07-10, 17:25

That's right.

Barry · 13-07-10, 17:26

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Originally Posted by jonomac

Barry, so that's the same amount of points for anyone who cashes, rather than an incremental amount according to where you finish, ie 1st and 9th in the same tournament get same number of in the cash points?

that is correct. We didnt really want it to be a situation where the rich get richer and the tournament winners also get the lions share of the points. It is really about players who support the club.

We did spend a great deal of time crunching the numbers and for a first month was happy with this format.

Of course we will make changes as it evolves and like anything we know it isn't perfect but think it will make for an exciting month for MTT players at the club.

nanohectic · 13-07-10, 18:03

I don't understand the point of this league now, if its just whoever buys in to all the tourneys will be guaranteed a massive stack. Seems like another one of those promotions that aren't helping the players much.

It's clearing not rewarding any players that are smashing it up but entering less tourneys. So the league ends up exactly the same as what you don't want to happen, the rich getting richer. It's obvious some players pretty much play all the £300, £150 + £100 everytime they are on, will be massive whilst some guy that might be less rolled but has an amazing roi at £50, £75 comps won't get any help at all.

This might end up another one of those situations where everyone just went busto chasing for the cash race points, and the cash games being completely dead for ages. Same in the tourney scene perhaps?

Barry · 13-07-10, 18:59

Nan, I really do believe this promotion is somewhat different to the cash race especially with the added money.
Also the rich we referred to were the tourney winners not the guys with the most money in their pockets. We have to reward the players who are putting in most to the prize pool, how could we not?

Like i said we really like the idea and think it has massive potential but we are keeping a close eye on it as August passes.

Deeve · 13-07-10, 20:57

Love it, love it, love it. WP Barry et al.

This is much more up my street than the Cash race.

Cause I like you · 13-07-10, 22:20

back from FR and I see good things everywhere. this is one of them nice one. on a difficult topic considering how everybodu have their own opinion and so on. a freeroll for andy and the other HARD REGS, but that's still cool.

THis is clearer than before, be a reg and freeroll for thousands :) each month.

SageDonkey · 13-07-10, 23:50

I think this is quite a fair promotion. 2% out of each prize pool is fairly negligible anyway and the fact that this is being matched by the club is a very nice bonus.

I can see Nanohectic's (Tyrone's) point about it favouring the higher buy in, better bankrolled players. This "favouritsim" is going to be true of most loyalty type promotions.

Just an idea that's sprung to mind..............

Perhaps a solution to give compensation for the less well rolled players is to have a second league running side by side the main league (perhaps where just £25, £30, and £10 rebuy comps count) but base this league just on results gained, using the Formula 1 Motor Racing points scoring system or something like it. You could then maybe reward the overall top 3 placed people in the "lower buy in league" with some bonus points. I haven't analysed likely points totals from the formula already stated by Barry but off the top of my head maybe award the winner of the "lower buy in league" 500 pts, 2nd 300 pts and 3rd 200 pts.

Players would still earn the points as per the table Barry posted but would be fighting for bonus points from the mini league. There's also nothing to stop players who usually buy in bigger entering smaller comps to try to place 1, 2 or 3 in the mini league.

This would then give players who can only afford to enter lower buy in comps a chance of starting the tournament with a much better stack if they have been finishing high up in the smaller comps and it would not take any more money out of the prizepool but would flatten out the relationship between starting stacks and how well players have performed during the qualifying period.

I think this would provide the balance that Tyrone is suggesting might be missing and it might encourage players to have a crack at a few more lower buy in comps.

0strich · 14-07-10, 01:46

I have given this thread five stars! Wooooooooooooooo.

I fell the proportion should be of entry fees to cashes should be 1:1, but the club doubling the prizepool more than makes up for this.

toukie · 17-07-10, 21:07

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Originally Posted by 0strich

I have given this thread five stars! Wooooooooooooooo.

I fell the proportion should be of entry fees to cashes should be 1:1, but the club doubling the prizepool more than makes up for this.

I think you should go in the opposite direction completely and give bonus points to the players that rarely or never cash. The players that cash frequently don't need further rewards. they are already making money. Also, their results show they (in theory anyway) are the better players and will be able to overcome a small handicap.

For the players that cash rarely or never at all it gives them some hope and some inducement to carry on playing. They know that for one tournament a month they will have a slightly better chance than usual of cashing.

Something along the following lines:

10 tournament entries, no cashes qualifies for 50% bonus points.
Each additional tournament entry increases the bonus by 5%

So for exmple someone enters 15 tournaments but never cashes, their points are say 1200. They get 75% bonus points, taking their points to 2100.

Yes, someone could throw tournaments just for the points, but it would cost them a fortune in buy-ins, so not really worth it. also there is no guarantee they wiuld cash, however many points they started with, so would not likely be a profitable move.

There is no personal interest in this, I rarely if ever play tournaments, and certainly not as many as 10 in a month.

Toukie

SageDonkey · 18-07-10, 03:47

Toukie, are you Edward de Bono in disguise?!

toukie · 18-07-10, 04:41

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Originally Posted by SageDonkey

Toukie, are you Edward de Bono in disguise?!

No, but I'm smarter than the average bear (showing my age).

TimmyLeeD · 18-07-10, 11:50

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Originally Posted by toukie

I think you should go in the opposite direction completely and give bonus points to the players that rarely or never cash. The players that cash frequently don't need further rewards. they are already making money. Also, their results show they (in theory anyway) are the better players and will be able to overcome a small handicap.

erm.. not theory about it really!! If they regularly cash and these other players rarely or never cash playing the same number of tournaments then the non-cashers are poorer players in ability and money!!

For the players that cash rarely or never at all it gives them some hope and some inducement to carry on playing. They know that for one tournament a month they will have a slightly better chance than usual of cashing.

I think this is a great idea, maybe ontop of this Barry as these regular none-cashers are getting knocked out of any comp the play you could arrive with a huge wad of cash that covers any money they've lost (and a little ontop of course) and thank them for playing!!

after all as toukie said it gives them "some inducement to carry on playing"

There is no personal interest in this, I rarely if ever play tournaments, and certainly not as many as 10 in a month.

there goes the action!!!!

Toukie

I personally, for what its worth (nothing at all to anyone) think its a good idea

nanohectic · 21-07-10, 11:24

Just saw this 'pokerplayer' ranking system, thought would work amazingly well with the Int and involve more skill into the ranking system, but still reward those that buy in to the bigger tourneys, seems like a super good system.

http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/poker-p..._rankings.html

Could go something like this:

The criteria are then multiplied together to give the points total. If a player makes the top ten in more than one event, we multiply their points total by 1.5, for three events by 2, for four events by 2.5, etc.

FINISHING POSITION
1st place 12 points
2nd place 10 points
3rd place 8 points
4th place 7 points
5th place 6 points
6th place 5 points
7th place 4 points
8th place 3 points
9th place 2 points
10th place 1 points
11th onwards 0 points

NO. OF ENTRANTS
Up to 20 entrants 1 point
Up to 30 entrants 2 points
Up to 40 entrants 3 points
Up to 50 entrants 4 points
Up to 60 entrants 5 points
Up to 70 entrants 6 points
Up to 80 entrants 7 points
Up to 90 entrants 8 points
Up to 100 entrants 9 points
Up to 110 entrants 10 points
Over 120 entrants 12 points

BUY-IN
£20 1 point
Up to £30 2 points
Up to £50 3 points
Up to £75 4 points
Up to £100 5 points
Up to £150 6 points
Up to £200 7 points
Up to £300 8 points
Up to £500 9 points
Up to £750 10 points
Up to £1000 12 points

What do you guys think??

Paul R · 21-07-10, 12:16

Grand Final is the first day of the Dublin UKIPT which I was planning on playing :-(

Analyst · 25-07-10, 01:50

How many points are awarded for the £40+5 bounty tourney?
90 for playing and 45 for cashing perhaps?

danfel · 25-07-10, 12:55

would it not make sense to swap the points for buyin and cash finishes?
unfortunately we cant all play every night so this would give the guys and girls who play every night a bigger advantage? just a thought

Analyst · 10-08-10, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Analyst

How many points are awarded for the £40+5 bounty tourney?
90 for playing and 45 for cashing perhaps?

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